Go die in a hole... multiple times.... With no weapon surrounded by dirty logi needles.

The slow down effect is like the time on beta LRs and dumb fire swarms, fun for awhile but just plain annoying. Trust me 1 week into it you'll have a backlash that rivals the Reformation Movement.

Aeon, there's a reason for everything & the reason for the B.S.D.E removal was because it provided an unfair advantage to automatic weapons. CCP added a strafe penalty to plates to calm the crowd so just because the meta shifted to ferro's and reactives doesn't mean your gun is broken.

P.s. it's your suit bonus

What makes you think the AR needs another buff?
Not easy mode enough for you yet Aeon? They are already the easiest to use rifles in this entire game, and you want them to slow down your enemies so you can hit them better? Get real.

The AR is fine. Go cry somewhere else.

If CQC wasn't easy mode, why does the majority of the community (and the majority of communities for that matter) tend to flock to CQC combat?

Hipfire twitchy twitchy has always been the unskilled players domain, in most every game.

CQC is easy mode, as it is in most shooters. Dust is no different in this regard.

While it is rather annoying to have someone strafe between my shots and watch them shield flash because the engine can't keep up.. I'm not sure slowdown is the answer. I don't have a backup answer but I'm on the fence as to how helpful this would be overall.

Sorry to interrupt keep pissin.

[quote=Aeon Amadi]No need to tweak range. No need to tweak damage. No need to increase Rate of Fire, reduce dispersion, change damage profiles, or anything of the sort. Nope, none of those.

Bring back the bullet slow down effect.


When was this effect removed?

I ask because I routinely find:

A. On target doing damage, through shield and half his armor, he pivots starts shooting, I cease to do any damage but I'm still firing, still clearly on target. Then...Dead. (the only thing I find consistent when this happens is the weapon my foe is using is of higher class or alpha). More than once a game I lose battles on paper I should have won but lost to an "effect".

B. I am engaged in a 1 v 1 dancing/strafing contest and find the first to get a consistent stream of damage wins. In other words as soon as my foe starts doing real damage my rate of movement is roughly half of what it was while we were dancing. The only way to potentially overcome this "effect" is with some dramatic movement on the sticks. Once broken, usually I am facing away from my foe and then get shot in the back. Dead.

I have no way to judge if this "effect" is happening to others. I play in a squad most nights and have yet to hear them describe this problem.

I understand damage from a foe would have an "effect" but I call BS on the idea that my ability to maintain a fair chance to return the favor (in the case of A) is somehow being removed by the mechanics of the game.

I find the assault version of the rail and combat rifle tend to be the most consistent cause for this "effect".

That doesn't balance the AR.

What it does do however, is remove the need to have great aiming skills since the target will move so slow that it won't matter, thus turning engagements involving the AR into a cookie cutter battle with the only factor determining who wins the gun-fight being who brings the right fitting.


Have you played Call of Duty?

Movement Speed in that game isn't anywhere near as fast as it is here unless you have the Lightweight perk.

You can do a lot of things in designing a multiplayer FPS, but messing with player hands-on control of their character is just.....

In WOW, sure a slowdown effect is great. In single player shooters it might be ok too, not sure.

But here in our pvp-only game, it's contrary to the reason peeps are attracted to FPS in the first place: this is a skill contest. Anything that interferes with that, like say poor controls, sticky terrain, tacnet omniscience, proto contact grenades, explosive spam, low ttk, 'safety' inertia dampers, unearned sp/wp, etc., etc., etc......will be unwelcome.

So, in brief, although slowdown would make the AR a fearsome weapon, as an addition to the gameplay experience of DUST....it sucks.

If there were modules that increased strafe seed or base movement speed, HP modules would go the way of the disnosaur.
Speed is broken right now, so yeah, it does need to be nerfed, but not like this.

You don't make a valid point either.

HP modules being popular is hardly indicative that HP is too high.
It is only indicative that they are the best modules and that they provide the most tangible and immediate benefits to the users.

Speed is still broken though. Strafing, in particular. This matrix bullet "dodging" isn't helping this game at all.
I'd personally like a 20% across the board nerf to strafing, for everyone.

I was actually pretty neutral about it back then, because it didn't actually manifest itself as a problem after the Scout buff and subsequent Assault buff, both of which were extremely favorable for speed based suits(which I consider to be everything faster than and including the Minassault).
I didn't see over a year into the meta, sue me.

I didn't know that wiggle strafing and bullet dodging would become so rampantly popular.

But its not Movement Speed thats the problem. Its the strafe speed multiplier that is causing issues. iirc, the multiplier is .75%, and I'd personally like to see it bumped down to .60%